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Karl
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« Reply #225 on: March 15, 2017, 09:33:42 pm »

Is low Coda still in my plans?   Yes, low Coda (low G or A) is one of a handful of exciting new products that I hope to bring to the market after Coda is well established.  A cool thing about low Coda is that, like C Coda, it has a surprisingly small, pocket-friendly footprint for its range.
 
Provided Coda is as successful as I believe it will be, prototyping and development should be much faster for future products because profits from Coda will provide the resources needed for projects of this magnitude.  When resources (a.k.a. Pesos, greenbacks, cabbage, dead presidents, etc.) are lacking, it takes a lot more time and sacrifice to inch things along.


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« Reply #226 on: March 15, 2017, 09:34:26 pm »

Are you going to pre-sell Coda to finance the molds?  Bringing Coda to the market is a huge investment, and that is true not even counting the tremendous amount of time and money that has gone into it thus far. Originally, we planned to crowdfund Coda through our former customers, but we have changed our minds. Both my wife and I have sensitive consciences, and we realized that we were not comfortable taking your money for a product that still only exists in prototype form.  After all, what if there are unexpected delays with the molds? (Even though that could never happen, right?!) Therefore, we’ve decided to pay for the Coda molds, set up, fixtures, etc., from our own savings. 

If you would like to help make Coda a reality, please email us at info@MountainOcarinas.com to be placed on our waiting list.  The waiting list will help us to hit the ground running when Coda is available.


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« Reply #227 on: March 15, 2017, 09:35:17 pm »

Does Mountain Ocarinas still make ocarinas? Yes, uh, well, I mean, sort of, but, uh, not at present…  Okay, here’s the thing. Right now, all of our resources --time, money, and attention-- are focused on bringing Coda to the market. Purchasing the necessary components and building more of our present ocarinas would only delay Coda, and I’m not willing to do that. 

Frankly, I thought we’d have Coda on the market long before our reserve of instruments ran out, but I was wrong. If you tried to purchase one of our instruments and were not able to, I apologize.


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« Reply #228 on: March 16, 2017, 02:34:07 am »

That was an awesome update, Karl!! Thank you for all those details. I am amazed and delighted by the price drop, and as someone burned by crowd funding in the past, may I say ALL the respect to you and your wife for planning to bring CODA to market independently. This is so exciting! I also hugely love the idea of a lower tuned one; I vote as low as possible! Wink Good luck on the next steps and actual production. Smiley


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« Reply #229 on: March 16, 2017, 06:18:11 am »

Karl. I am thrilled to wear about the progress that you are making on the CODA. I am one of the many that have been waiting patently for several years on this new product.  I am concerned that the $50 price is under market value and I wish you would consider having it a little more expensive because you have more than earned it.

That is just my $ .02 on the matter, but it is ultimately your decision.


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« Reply #230 on: March 17, 2017, 12:55:32 am »

I like things that are cheaper to buy, yet good quality. But while I hold that conviction deep in my heart, I have to agree with HarpPlayer somewhat. Maybe bumping the price up a little bit will be beneficial. And considering the time, money, and other forms of investments you have put into making the CODA, you really deserve the right to bump up the price. But I myself would recommend not having the price to be over $60.00, but just an idea. You lead your horse wherever you want to go, my friend.(A little saying I made up). You know what is best for the Mountain Ocarinas Co. and I support you!


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« Reply #231 on: March 17, 2017, 02:49:23 pm »

I don't have any experience in setting price points for products, but certain factors are obvious. One of them is: What is the price of the nearest competitor's product? In the case of Coda, this is a tricky question. If you think strictly in terms of ocarinas, the nearest competitor is a plastic double ocarina. I have one of these and in my judgment it's not even close to an actual competitor to Coda, but that doesn't alter the fact that it's likely to be perceived that way. Plastic doubles can be bought in the US for under $50 now, so despite the vast differences between these and Coda, that fact has to be taken into consideration.

Looking at the wider market for low-cost, durable instruments of comparable range, the other main competitor is the plastic soprano recorder. While these are not as easily portable as Coda, nor as easily playable, especially at the higher end of the range, they are nevertheless out there and some pretty good ones can be bought for under $50.

As tempting as it may be to see Coda as in a class by itself, it's important to see it through the eyes of prospective buyers who haven't seen it, played it, or even heard from anyone who has seen and played it. It's therefore important not to place too much of a price barrier in front of these people. Having played a prototype, as well as having a lot of experience playing various low-cost recorders, I can personally testify that Coda is a very different, and much more satisfying, instrument. But new buyers will be skeptical of such claims, and rightfully so. The price needs to be low enough to tempt them to take a chance on a new concept. So even though I think Coda is worth more than $50, I think it makes sense to keep it at around that point, if it's feasible to do so.


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« Reply #232 on: March 18, 2017, 04:25:31 pm »

Thank you Karl, for the informative and interesting update, hope the ultrasonic welding guy gives the design a big yes and it can all move forward another step.

My comment on pricing is that a lot of the money on some high-end musical instruments, mobile phones etc is paid for the looks rather than the function so maybe there should be a high-end Coda (e.g. gold-plated, encrusted with gems and personally signed by Karl or perhaps hand decorated with exotic wood veneers)  I would not want one, but then I do not have a high-end mobile phone either.  Just a thought.


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« Reply #233 on: March 19, 2017, 03:03:16 am »

ubizmo, I certainly see your point on the price of other doubles out there.  Most beginners wouldn't know the difference between the CODA and the novelty plastic double ocarinas out there, but are those people the target demographic?  I don't think that they are, instead I see the CODA buyer as being someone that is proficient on the Ocarina and are looking for a High Quality extended range instrument. That is why I suggested that CODA is under market value at the $50 price point.

I am looking at if from the perspective of a harmonica player.  You can buy a playable instrument to learn on for under $10, or you can spend well over $100 on some of the real high end Harmonicas.  I am not wealthy, nor do I make money from my playing, but I still need a good quality instrument (and several of them). My harmonicas are $50 each range which don't sound like a big deal until you consider that I carry 21 harmonicas when I play.

Either way I hope that the CODA gets the attention and respect that it deserves from the Ocarina Community, and that Karl has to work 60 hour weeks to meet the demand for his new product.  Well OK, we will let you knock off a little early on Saturday you can go fishing and hunting.


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« Reply #234 on: March 22, 2017, 10:42:33 am »

Karl, do you anticipate a limit on the initial order quantity? For that price (too low, IMO) I may as well get several as gifts for my musically-inclined friends and family. But I don't want to hog all the fun toys if there is a limited availability at the outset.


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« Reply #235 on: March 23, 2017, 01:49:58 pm »

Am I the only one that thinks CODA looks like a stun gun?

Well, either way, it's certainly a stunning achievement!

Looking forward to rewarding Karl for all his hard work with a few greenbacks.

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P.S. - quite disappointed I'll never be able to have one of these in Dymondwood....oh well.


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« Reply #236 on: March 25, 2017, 01:20:33 pm »

News Flash!

This just in, as of 9:30am March 24, 2017!

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Hi Ric,

I just added you to the list!  

By the way, yesterday, after seemingly endless revisions, everyone has approved the Coda design for production. Thus, my wife Susan and I were pleased to finally hand over a fat check to the mold building team, so the process has begun. They estimate that it will take 10-12 weeks before we have our first parts.

I'll be in touch!

Karl


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« Reply #237 on: March 27, 2017, 01:01:14 am »

I am glad that the design has been finalized and the order placed.  Thanks for the news.


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« Reply #238 on: March 27, 2017, 11:52:22 pm »

Oh man I'm so excited.


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« Reply #239 on: May 05, 2017, 03:20:57 am »

How goes the mold building process, Karl? Things proceeding apace? Trying SOOO HARD to be patient. Wink


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